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Over the past few weeks I've noticed a bunch of posts around this forum. The most interesting have been the ones on Dwemer disapperance and the dragon break. Friends, fellow forumers and scholars, i believe everything is connected and the puzzles pieces are now falling together. I will admit i am biased personally by a personal disfavor of the daedra and a certain ironic sympathy for the story of the tribunal. However it seems sicne the creation of mundus, a chain of events have been set into place to force its undoing. And who would be the main benefactors of such a thing? The daedra. But I digress.
Here is my theory. The events of the past 30 years have all been connected to the ancient past and the end. I personally believe that Ysmir, Hans the Fox, Zurin Acrtus, the Underking, and perhaps even some other heroes throughtout time have all been one and the same. This is supported by testimony from Mannimarco and Kier-Jo in the dragon break books. And who is Zurin Arctus really? Fellow forumers, i now truly believe that Zurin Acrtus and all his other forms are really all manifestations of the god lorkhan. This would explain how lorkhan's heart and arctus's soul could both be used to power the same thing. This also accounts for one of the three lines in Sermon Zero.
Now onto the warp of the west. While there is evidence of it, i highly doubt a warp in the east occured. otherwise vivec would have mentioned it in his history of the battle at red mountain. However i believe something involving a warp in time did occur at red mountain. Many sources in the dragon broke book refer to what really happened to the dwarves and how blind we are. Perhaps the reason Vivec cannot sense them, and they all disappeared at once and that except for some ashes in a mournhold sewer and Yagrum no one can tell where they are is that when Kagrenac used the heart, he used it to travel forward in time. Think about it. They were in the middle of fighting a battle for their survival that wasn't going well, and Kagrenac himself was fixing to be killed. So he goes forward in time figuring they can use the heart whenever they arrive thorugh time since it can't be destroyed and finish their plans. I know this is prepostorous but a lot of things have been that way lately. Yagrum was not affected because Kagrenac only wished for all the dwarves on Nirn to go.
Finally I believe that I know what Sotha Sil offered in exchange for the Daedric princes promise. He must have offered them something involving the heart. Obviously the heart must be able to hur thtem if they were so afraid of the dwarves and out to get them. Ditto with Azura and the Tribunal.
Now I know all i've just wrote is pretty outlandish,but I believe I'm on the right track. Maybe with Bloodmoon the answers will become more clear. Comments? Anything to add?
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Interesting...
Do you think the Nerevarine is also an incarnation of Lorkhan? This may account for the Heart, whether it was destroyed or not.
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I highly doubt that the Nerevarine was Lorkhan due to Azura's hand in that adventure.
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I doubt bloodmoon will have much info (with the exception of more of an explination of the deal with Sotha Sil, since you'll supposedly be interacting with Hircine and his attempting to the Mundus)
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I doubt that Azura was really involved- I think she just took credit for the events.
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Re: "I doubt that Azura was really involved- I think she just took credit for the events."
I agree... sort of. I do believe she was involved to some extent, but I don't think she took an inordinate amount of credit -- I think she was blamed for the events. 
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Wow, i thought people would jsut dismiss me as a lunatic,lol. Good point tegger about Azura.
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Just a thought that struck me...
How can Lorkhans hearth affect time?
I thought that was the realm of the Dragon God(donīt remember his real name).
Or am I reading to much into their description?
Your ideas reflects my own though... 
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Re: "Wow, i thought people would jsut dismiss me as a lunatic"
LOL, nah, you aren't a lunatic. That's not to say I necessarily agree with all your theories, but they're no more off the wall than some of the ones I've had in the past.
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In reply to:
since it can't be destroyed
What about now...?
The hearth is gone, has it in it self returned(?) to the void of time?
Or does the enchantments of Kagrenac just hold it in place?
I do not think it can withdraw from the world...But where could it be?
Hmmz... =/
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Bloodmoon will also have the Dwemer flying ship r whatnot, that may have something of lore value... maybe...(hopefully raising eyebrows and smiling)...
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The way I figure lorkhan's heart can affect time is how that numidium can affect time.
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In reply to:
The way I figure lorkhan's heart can affect time is how that numidium can affect time.
Did it?
Was it everywhere at the same time or was it there several times at the same time ...
Is it "it" or is it "they"?
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Well, that's a great theory. I'm sure you took alot of time and effort into processing it. I congradulate you. Now, if you'll let me, I plan to manipulate your theory.
Lorkhan may very well have had reincarnations. Zurin Arctus definatly had to have been. Yet, I think Nerevar, not Nerevarine, was a reincarnation of Lorkhan. Lorkhan wanted revenge against Kagrenac for what he was doing; using the Heart to make them gods. He might have rigged the Heart to kill them. I mean, c'mon; it was HIS heart.
He created Nerevar to punish those who would seek his Heart for power *cough* Tribunal *cough*. Nerevarine finished where Nerevar had failed. That had to be Lorkhan's doing. I think Lorkhan became furious once he found the plot of the Daedra, and how Azura was claming Nerevarine's acts were in her name, when Lorkhan created Nerevarine to act out his vengance.
This could be a possible prelude to Bloodmoon...
Sotha Sil's death sent him to Oblivion. He was in an unknown area. To his amazing surprise, He found Lorkhan. He spoke with Sotha Sil. He told Sotha Sil of the Daedra's plan to take over and destroy Nirn. He said he would forgive Sotha's acts on using his Heart if he would help him.
Lorkhan said the only way to stop the Daedra was to put back what we took away. To put the Dwemer back on Nirn, and have them suceed in using my Heart. To have them suceed in creating a new Numindium. To place a second underking of Nirn; you, Sotha Sil...
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Very interesting theory... yes, it makes sense... Is it possible that Wulf (Tiber Septim incarnation) or the ninth god of Imperial Nine Divines is in fact Lorkhan as well?
Here, I present one post of MK:
http://12.145.63.45/~xanathar/gods/onthe8.shtml
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I belive both Neverar and The Neveravine are incarnations of Lorkharn.
1Azura does not control everything... she made sure that any probable Incarnates amde their way to Morrowind and succeded, but who s to say Lorkharn didn't trick her into making his incarnate into the Neveravine, it would make sense, especially if he "freed" the heart.
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The main problem with this theory is that both the Five Songs of King Wulfharth (never thought I would be using that to back anything up  ) and The Arcturian Heresy refer to Wulfharth, part of your chain leading to Lorkhan, and Lorkhan himself as different entities.
From the Five Songs of King Wulfharth:
In reply to:
"Boy Wulfharth pleaded to Shor, the dead Chieftain of the Gods and Shor gathered an army as he did of old," and "then he sucked in the long-strewn ashes of King Wulfharth and remade him, for he needed a good general"
Shor is the human name for Lorkhan and in both of those quotes is refered to as not being part of Wulfharth
From The Arcturian Heresy:
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the Underking was not exactly Lorkhan, after all
The Underking who is, according to this book, Wulfharth is once again reffered to as being seperate from Lorkhan. Of course no one can say for sure whether or not both of these books are correct about this but they do seem to disprove your thesis. Though I do applaud the effort.
As for the time traveling Dwemer that is very likely.
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Well Nazz, I never truly belief that Five Songs. There are some on-purposed error, like the Dumac-Nerevar relationship and so on, beside it was written by a barbarian. Need an ABC for barbarian perhaps. :P I am really thinking that there is a hidden power behind all these events. And Lorkhan is kinda fit with the some of them, although sometime it's dificult to get a connection - there is no reliable records. There's a posibility that Lorkhan trick the simple minded Nord back then. Well, I sound silly here... but here it goes. There are so many entities that play almost the same role: Wulfharth, Arctus, Underking... And almost the same events occured: Dragon Break, Warp of the West, the new theory of the Warp of the East, and so on. All of them somehow refer back to Lorkhan...
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This is good stuff... Im gonna add this theory to my scholar report.
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I tend to believe the Five Songs with respect to the Nord parts of it (i.e. up to the Battle at Red Mountain description). It is easy for them to make mistakes regarding the motivations/actions of the Chimer/Dwemer since they were a third party. To them, it might have appeared as though the Chimer and Dwemer were joined, since they were before this battle. Also, the Nords didn't know the full story of what was happening.
It is less likely that they would make a mistake regarding their own motivations/actions. Of course, we can't tell if the things mentioned before the battle are false, since there aren't any other publications related to the Nord side of the fight. The only reason why we know that some parts of the description they give of the battle are false is because there is much more evidence to the contrary.
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Saruman,
You have a very interesting theory here, wrt the identity of Lorkhan and the Underking, et al.
I have one question, though:
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While there is evidence of it, i highly doubt a warp in the east occured. otherwise vivec would have mentioned it in his history of the battle at red mountain.
Why do you think he would bother with such an explanation?
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Nazz,
The two quotes you used, in my opinion, actually make a link to the Underking and Lorkhan. "then he sucked in the long-strewn ashes of King Wulfharth and remade him, for he needed a good general"...this looks to me like Lorkhan is using this person as a vessel (for lack of a better term) to walk the mortal plane. Basically, Wulfharth becomes a physical embodyment of Lorkhan.
Taking that into account, the next quote, "the Underking was not exactly Lorkhan, after all," seems to have a little sardonic taste to it (like most of the Heresy seems to have). Sure, he wasn't exactly Lorkhan, but he sure was close. That's my personal view on it.
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I think Wulfharth is definately Lorkhan in some shape or form. When Zurin Arctus is researching the battle of red mountain he apparantly learns 'the Underking's place in the War' - and then hatches a plan with the emperor to soul trap Wulfharth and claim his soul/Lorkhan's heart. This in itself suggest that Wulfharth is Lorkhan in some form.
I dont think both Wulfharth AND Zurin Arctus can be Lorkhan though - to support the Wulfharth view is the stuff from above - to support the Arctus view is the fact that in their battle Arctus is killed and a hole is made in his chest, could this be from his heart being ripped out by the soul trap spell, is it him that is truly Lorkhan?
Personally i havnt made up my mind yet, but its certainly an interesting problem
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Well first to clear up some questions and make some comments.
8thHouseKalamer i think you defintely have the right idea in mind.
SeveredSin, thanks i feel sorta honored,lol.
KaliMagdalene(sp?) :
With regards to Vivec, if there was a warp in the east he would might not have mentioned it now that i think about it. The main thing that keeps me believin gin a warp of the eas tis that anumidium wasn't finished yet. Tell me if i'm wrong but if there was such an event, wouldn't it mean Nerevar died of wounds from fighting King Dumac and from the Tribunal killing him? And the last thing Vivec needs is more suspicion on himself.
Finally onto phil_t's post. This right here kinda of hurts my theory i will admit. But if Arctus wasn't some reincarnation of a god, how did he live through getting a hole ripped in his chest and being soul trapped? I still feel Lorkhan and ARctus still have some kind of connection since his 'heart' and lorkhan's heart both were to power numidium.
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I have never played Daggerfall, but am i right in suspecting that someone claiming to be both Zurin Arctus & the Underking turns up in it?
As far as i was aware from reading the Arcturian Heresy, Zurin Arctus was very much dead after the battle with Wulfgarth, and it is Tiber Septim who steps in and takes the soul gem / mantella when the dust settles.
If it truly was Arctus and not some imposter who turned up before the Warp in the West then clearly he was much more than a mortal (and from all the rumours about him i suspect he was anyway, whether the Underking or not)
Apart from that i just wanted to say that i find the theory of the Dwarves taking themselves in the future quite a good one, and no more crazy than any others that have cropped up
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Im just a fledgling to Morrowind but i relevant question (I beleive)...
Perhaps The Heart/Lorkhan created Nerevar...(and the Nerevarine for taht matter)...
Could it all tie into a bigger plot to bring down the Daedra??
-Perhaps The Heart manipulated Karengac to send the Dwemer BACK in time(with the same intelligence/bodies etc.)...this would create a conflict b/w the Dwemer and the Daedra...so perhaps it (The Heart) could have been used to combat the Daedric influence in the beginning...therfore lessening its influence later on in the history of Tameriel...
with the destruction of the heart...the tribunal also lost their powers(I presume??)...which would clear the way for the return of the dwemer, and a chance to spread its influence...therefore, it is plausible, that the heart was working with the dwemer to spread its influence...after all the dwemer would probably build another heart to tap into the powers and recieve immortality...Therefore the events can be looked at as a chance to rebuild itself (The Heart) w/o the persistant threat of the Daedra and the Tribunal...
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The whole problme with the Dwemer travelling backwards is that we would have already felt the effects of such an action unless what they did then resulted in the actions of now. However if they know of the battle at red mountain they probably would have killed the chimer back before velothi and prevented the main thing stopping them.
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I had another thought about Zurin Arctus, because in Daggerfall he claims that after his betrayel by Tiber Septim he became an undead wizard. What else is an undead wizard but a lich?? Could it be that the mantella acts as a phylactery for him (hence him not being able to die a mortal death until he recovers it). Just a theory, although im fairly sure the process to becoming a lich is more complex than that.
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There is a book(forget which) that says Tiber Septim(Wulfharth Hans the Fox etc...) and Zurin Arctus were both the same person/God thing, and they were torn apart. So maybe Wulfharth represents the body and Zurin the heart. This would explain how Zurin wasn't *exactly* Lorkhan, because he wasn't joined with Tiber at the time. So they are both incarnations of Lorkhan and when they both joined together they will be a God again. So when you meet wulf at Ghostgate, he doesn't call himself Wulfharth because he is missing the harth(heart) part of him. That is why the ghost of a God is no man, because it is half a man.
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That's brilliant Yeah and i think that answers our problem of zurin and wulfharth both being lorkhan. It might also mean that wulf fought himself solely for the purpose of becoming one again. Didn't somebody say it ended with wulfharth tearing the heart out of Zurin?
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I think that the warp in the west was in fact an intervention of Akatosh himself, to prevent the Numidium to be in the hands of a mortal long enough for the Mantella/Lorkhan's Heart to control its master the same way it manipulated Vivec into calling Ysmir (unaware of his true nature) for help during the battle of the Red Moutain, and everyone who desired its power and was in its influence, for example the builders of the Numidiums : first the Dwemer, which, I think, didn't disappear by their own fault (conscious or not), but were sent somewhere (in space, or in time, perhaps in the past, which could explain their technology but would probably have had more repercussions on the actual world, so I will dismiss this theory, else it would need a really complex explication) by one of the ennemies of Lorkhan before they could achieve their Numidium ; and then Dagoth Ur, also eliminated on the order of a Daedra.
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hmm...as a character in the middle of morrowind, i stumbled onto the books that Yagarum could decipher (Egg of Time, Hanging Gardens, Divine Metaphysics)....not knowing what metaphysics was, i decidedto look up some of the words in the title(in an effort to post something worthwhile on this board =) )
**Divine Metaphysics**- The direct, literal translation of this simply means "the orgin or creation of a god"...So this explains how the dwemer created the Heart...
**Egg of Time**- This could imply one of two things
1) Time is round...going back in time will only bring someone bck to the point at which they started...however that person would probably be much wiser the second time around...and perhaps prevent their mistakes
2) Another meaning of the word egg is "to risk it all on a single venture"...this could theorize that Karegnac had only one option to save the Dwemer....to risk time travel or to be slaughtered..
Again this supports the teory of time travel...
**Hanging Gardens**- Nothing except that they were a prized possession to King Nebuchadnezzar's wife in Ancient Babylon...
(I'm not willing to theorize on this one)
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What, wulf at Ghostgate??? Where at Ghostgate??? Aaaargh, im off to Morrowind to question the bugger
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Re: "I doubt that Azura was really involved- I think she just took credit for the events."
Azura used the Nerevar (you) for her own purposes... Of course she takes all the credit!
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SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!
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When you go to red mountain to get keening, sunder, and defeat Dagoth Ur, Wulf appears in i think the tower of dusk. He will tell you to take a coin to red mountain and then disappear. From then on you pick up a new power called uh something with the emperor. I think it affects charm, or luck, or speechcraft. I forget.
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Luck. Wulf will only be there once, and if you blink...
Bethesda may never give us any evidence for anything, people... the mystery of the Dwemer may never be solved.
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About the title "The Egg of Time". Apart from the pics something about the meaning of that title came to my mind. Would not the egg of time suggest something about creation aswell? The egg is shelter against something before the "life" contained can be born to the world.
So could not the Egg of Time contain information about some change, the dawning/birth of a new time, or the shelter of a specific time as suggested in those "timetravels" onehotindiankid mentioned.
This dawning of a new time could also suggest such a warp forward in time.
But none the less we dont know for sure if it worked for the Dwemer.
I think the "scrawlings" in that book are obscure on purpose, since the title is the only key needed, combined with the 2 pictures, to solve the content of that book.
I am by far no expert in all the things concerned about this big theory. Just this about the title came tomy mind
Edit: By the way. Has anyone broken the code for the letters in "The Egg of Time" ?!
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Voice of the Emporer...?
--I think it comes standard with all Imperial characters...
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Hey Darliandor!
I think i understand where you're comming from....
Along w/ your theory perhaps egg can be looked at from an objective point of view....
For example, we could think of an egg as a shell protecting the precious yolk...(as you mentioned)...so either something protects/hold time... or perhaps time encompasses something which the dwemer were out to find out...
So, if this is true, the author of these books was out to break the bonds of time(which denotes possible time-travel) or he was trying to unlock the myseteries of time in order to reach something unknown (Goodhood, Oblivion???)
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Maybe the only person that could destroy the heart was an incarnation of whom the heart belonged to (why the gods could not destroy it themselves) and Azura was trying to kill to birds with one stone so to speak.
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I doubt Lorkhan is Nerevarine due to the fact that i think you would know if you were a living god or not over the course of the game.
But i think that for sure now the line,
The ghost of a god is no man.
definately refers to lorkhan and ysmir/tiber septim/zurin acrtus/wulfharth/Hans the Fox
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What if the egg is Lorkhan's heart? The Dwemer put a protective coating on it, and it could be the "yoke" that got them forward or backward in time. Egg to me is something precious inside a hard shell. When it is ready the thing inside the shell will come out. Possibly the heart works as a giant soul gem. When Kagrenac used it it put all of the dwemer into the heart, and the tribunal and dagoth ur put that power into themselves?
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THat is incredibly interesting... IM gonna use that for my paper
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That makes perfecxt sense b/c afterall, you have to hi the heart x numbers of times with keening and sunder, obviously some of the best weapons in the land of morrowind...perhaps only they can break the "protective covering"...
But think about this...what if teh stuff inside was the way to manipulate death, possibly turning them into the gods they set out to be...these "vagaries" were contained in the guise of a heart by karegnac...making it less suspicious (in the worst case scenario---the coalition of houses win at Red Mountain) to the victors...if they did not destroy the heart, it would probably remain uuntouched for eternity, clearing the way for dwemer return using the concept of time travel...
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i don't think the heart was a guise, due to the fact that the creation stories and local lore and traditions would suggest that Red Mountain was made by the impact of the heart into the island of Vvardenfell.
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I'm really confused! 
The Arcturian Heresy has my brain has all tied up in knots.
From Daggerfall, we assume the following: The Mantella (whatever it is--Daggerfall never quite explains its nature) is powered by Zurin Arctus' own lifeforce. After Tiber Septim uses the Numidium to conquer all of Tamriel, he turns on his Battlemage, and Arctus is killed in the process of destroying his own creation. The Mantella is lost to Aetherius. Since his life force is bound to the Mantella, Arctus cannot truly die, and so he becomes the Underking. The hero at the end of Daggerfall journies to Aetherius and releases Arctus' spirit from the Mantella, granting him the peace of death at last. Right?
Well, maybe. According to the Arcturian Heresy, Arctus was slain by the Underking... but wait, isn't Arctus the Underking? No. The Underking is Wulfharth, ressurected by the ghost of Shor, aka Lorkhan. And it's the Underking's life force, not Zurin Arctus', that was trapped in the soul gem that would later be known as the Mantella. It's this soul gem that Tiber Septim supposedly uses to power the Numidium (though it isn't explained how Septim could simply stroll up and take something as large as the Mantella was in Daggerfall). Can anyone explain these contradictions? Are they deliberate? Are we simply meant not to know, or what?
There are also several quirky lines tossed into the Heresy that have me scratching my head and saying "Hmmm..." I'll include a few of them. They're out of context, so simply refer to the Heresy to see what I'm talking about.
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Zurin Arctus, the Grand Battlemage (not the Underking), then crowns Hjalti as Tiber Septim, new Emperor of All Cyrodiil.
Does this imply that Zurin Arctus is, in fact, not the Underking, or merely that he has yet to become it/him?
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After he captures the Imperil Throne, Septim finds the initial administration of a fully united Cyrodiil a time-consuming task. He sends the Underking to deal with Imperial expansion into Skyrim and High Rock. Ysmir, mindful that it might seem as if Tiber Septim is in two places at once, works behind the scenes.
... what does that mean? Is the implication that the Underking would be literally mistaken for Tiber Septim?
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The assassination story is embroidered -- now it is popularly Talos' own throat that was cut.
Vague. The Nords called Hjalti (Tiber Septim) Talos after their victory at Hrol'Dan. Hjalti then assassinates Cuhlecain before he can be crowned the emperor, and takes the crown for himself instead. So what's the deal with the above quote?
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But Zurin Arctus was working from incomplete plans. He thinks it is the heart of Lorkhan's body that is needed to power the Numidium. While Zurin Arctus is raving about his discovery, the prophecy finally becomes clear to Tiber Septim.
This is immediately followed by Tiber Septim's epiphany of the Underking's place in the prophecy, and this is also where he attempts to ambush the Underking and trap his soul. If Arctus told Tiber Septim that the Heart of Lorkhan was necessary to power the Numidium, and Septim immediately goes after the Underking, what does that tell you about the Underking?
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The Numidium, while not the god Tiber Septim and the Dwemer hoped for (the Underking was not exactly Lorkhan, after all), it does the job.
No comment.
And that's all. What the hell?
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This is an excellent discussion and far more interesting than alot of the rubbish that has been posted in the last few days so bump!
I do not have anything to add at present, but I do have a couple of questions about the Warp In The West...
Where can I find references to this event apart from in the comments made by Xal the Maruhkati?
Does it refer to the situation at the end of Daggerfall (the game) or does it occur at a much earlier time in the 3E?
For that matter in what year do the events in Daggerfall (the game) occur?
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Maybe the Egg is the heart, I remember reading something that mentions some Aedra trying to destroy the heart and the heart just laughed at them, saying something like " I am the heart of the world one was made to satisfy the other. i think that means if the heart is destroyed, then so would Mundus.
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In reply to:
Where can I find references to this event apart from in the comments made by Xal the Maruhkati?
There is a brief mention of it on The Elder Scrolls site-> Codex-> History-> Daggerfall
There was a great thread around here, but unfortunately, it was deleted awhile ago 
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Does it refer to the situation at the end of Daggerfall (the game) or does it occur at a much earlier time in the 3E?
It refers to what occurred at the end of Daggerfall, but nothing is mentioned in the game itself. Basically, the PC had to choose one possible ending. The problem was, "How do you decide which ending is the Official ending since the PC could choose from multiple ones?" So basically, it was decided that ALL the endings had to happen, thus was born the Warp in the West.
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For that matter in what year do the events in Daggerfall (the game) occur?
According to The Imperial Library's Timeline, it happened Circa 3E410.
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Cheers B, it is as I suspected, but never having played Daggerfall, I felt a bit in the dark.
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Incidentally B,
I take it that the Warp In The East that is being conjectured about refers to the possibility that a similar multiple event paradox took place at the Battle Of Red Mountain?
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That is correct, the purported West in the East referred to the events surrounding the battle at Red Mountain and the disappearance of the Dwemer, and the theory has been advanced to explain the several varying accounts of the events that occured there.
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Thanks phil,
Do you know of any accounts of Red Mountain erupting at this time? I have only seen a veiled reference to an eruption at the Battle of Red Mountain in one of Vivec's sermons.
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Im fairly surely that i have seen an account that alludes to the eruption of Red Mountain after the battle, but i cant recall where, and it may even be as a result of the suggestion on the boards. Wouldnt be the first time i got a "fact" in my mind that way. I shall investigate, unless someone beats me to the punch
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There are indeed several references to the eruption of Red MOuntain c. 1E668, soon after the battle there.
From the Pocket Guide to the Empire:
"It is not for another two centuries that we first hear of the Tribunal, who perhaps arose to prominence in the ruin wrought by the first eruption of Vvardenfell, which laid waste at least half of Morrowind, and led to a permanent shift of population south towards the Deshaan, the broad southern plain which gradually slopes down into the dismal swamps of Black Marsh."
"At the time of the Nord Conquest, a Dwarven kingdom flourished in the north of Morrowind, the region now covered by the Vvardenfell volcano. Indeed, this vanished realm gave its name to the mighty volcano that obliterated it - Vvardenfell is a Dwarven word meaning "City of the Strong Shield". It is not known whether the Dwarves of Vvardenfell were destroyed by the first eruption of the volcano, or whether they had already met the mysterious fate of their brethren across Tamriel"
From the Importance of Where, publishers note:
"The Great Mountain in the tale is clearly "Red Mountain," despite its description of being forested. The Star-Fall and later eruptions destroyed the vegetation on Red Mountain, giving it the wasted appearance it has today."
So clearly it was not the first eruption of Red Mountain, which is linked to the Star-Fall and the falling of Lorkhans Heart to Mundus, but was probably the biggest. However, i am cautious as to the description of the eruption in the Pocket Guide, as it seems ever an unreliable source, and there are no first hand accounts an eruption around the time of the battle. My opinion on the matter remains unresolved i am afraid. THe material is there, but possibly unreliable.
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Cheers Phil, you're a star. (I got your message BTW and I'll get back to you.)
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